What point was the author making about Utopian societies? How did she convey this message?
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i think the point she was trying to make was that nothing is perfect. if you try to make a perfect world or perfect community, it might seem that everything is right and everyone is happy. but, in reality everything is horribly wrong. there is death, conspiracy and nothing is real. nothing is real because its all fake and its an empty world. none of the people in this "perfect" world are thier true selves.- Austin Rhoten. Period 1
Lois Lowry is trying to make the point that Utopian societies always have something that goes wrong because no one is perfect. Utopian societies usually can start out acceptable, yet no one can be perfect enough to follow every strict guideline. In the Giver, Jonas is told by the Giver that the society tries to make everyone perfect, yet they haven’t gotten it exactly right. The Giver talks about how some people can see color, like Jonas can, and these are the people that the society can’t make perfect. Also, people cannot be pushed into doing no wrong. The society in The Giver tries to push everyone by form of punishment, yet some people have strong enough personalities that it is hard to punish them into perfection. Brainwashing can only go so far, and people will start to rebel if they realize that there is a better world of choices, love, and happiness, just like Jonas. Secrets can’t be kept forever and when Jonas finds out about these secrets he releases them to the community which is what happens in Utopian societies. They always go wrong because no one is perfect enough.
the author i think was showing how no matter what you do and try no one and nothing will ever be perfect. like in the book they try to make that perfect world but in the long run they actually ended up ruining life because, they took away feelings, pain, and color. they would never experience those so i think life would be super boring.
Lois Lowry is trying to make the point of a Utopia society by describing that nothing in this world can be perfect and the more people push for this perfect society things willl only get worse. In this world things, people were meant to be different thats why we have completly different personalitys.In the novel the Giver this community is trying to make everything perfect by not letting anyone feel pain, love, accomplishment or anything that could possibly hurt them.
If we lived in a perfect world with strict rules and more we will be stuck in like a bubble and we can’t get out and experience what life is all about. We need to learn what the outside world is all about whatever that may be. We need to have real birthdays not a little age birthday group that doesn’t make it fun. We need holidays to bring family together, and we need love and different feelings to make us, who we are, plus color to make the world beautiful and a better place to live at. We need a real education to find what we really like and what other people like and how to live.
A utopian society can not be perfect! it seems to go well for a wile, but soon everthing fails. unfortunately all humans make mistakes, no one can be perfect. people will fight, argue, and have there own oppinion. unless of corse you live in the comunity where everyone is brain washed into thinking things that dont make sence. utopia is not the same for everyone, because not everyone is identical. everyone needs divercity arround them, just think of how boaring it would be to have everyone be exactly like you.
Everyone has their own ideals. We all wish for certain things in our life to be a certain way, everything the way we'd like. Lois Lowery is making a perfect example of how something with good intentions in the beginning went horribly wrong, and robbed people of themselves. A utopia is what we may want at times, but definitely not what we need. I think this book is a good example of be careful what you wish for. Without those things in our lives that bring us down and piss us off, we wouldn't be as sure of ourselves as we are right now. We wouldn't know what it means to be happy and appreciate it. We would be in a constant state of non-feeling.
"Utopia?" Why would people think that this place is a perfect world? Its because they didnt even know better. If they want a perfect for these civilians they need to be able to expand there minds and learn new things. Try new things experience some pain while induring great happiness. Like in the book Jonas see's snow for the first time. The new experience is always a good one. Thats a Utopia
I think the point of the author making up utopian stories is that she wants to show us what a perfect world is. This is because no one lives in a perfect world, so it would be an interesting thing to read about. She conveyed this message by how she set up what the characters where and weren’t allowed to do in the society. So a perfect world is something that sounds really good but when you actually think about it is not the best thing.
I think that the point the author was trying to make about Utopian societies was that nothing is perfect. No matter how hard anyone tries nothing will ever be absolutely perfect. Humans mess up each and every day, its a natural thing. Even if things seem perfect, deep inside there is still problems. An example of what im saying is in the book The Giver, the boy Jonas lives in a gated community where everyone is the same. Although this community may seem perfect to everyone in it we can see that it is terribly wrong. These people have no choices or say in anything they do. Nothing is real. The author conveyed this message by taking some of the characters and letting them move into a normal lifestyle. This showed us that this community of same was far from perfect.- jenn
I think that Lois Lowry it trying to make the point to people that no matter how hard you try to be perfect or try to make other people be perfect, you will never be perfect. There is not such thing as being perfect because there is always going to be something. If there was a perfect world or just community, then everything would be plain and simple and boring. Nothing would ever be fun and challenging and people wouldn't ever know differences between others and things. In The Giver, everyone is pretty much perfect which makes it boring, but Jonas is different than everybody which makes it more exciting knowing what he can/does. Since he is different and knows that things are different he realizes that their is a better world out there and he finds it. He knows that he isn't perfect like the community was and he knew that everything that everyone did was wrong.--Kayla Corpron
I think the point that the author was trying to make was that no matter how hard you try to make something perfect, there are always flaws. Nothing is perfect and I think that Lois Lowry was trying to say that the non-perfect things in life, the things that some of us wish we didn't have to deal with are the things that make us stronger as human beings. The thought of Utopia is a fantasy. The author was also trying to say that normally in a Utopian society there are crazy rules to be followed and most people cannot rise to the standards of a perfect society. Nothing will ever be perfect in life and people need to realize the fact and live and learn from it.
i think the point that she was trying to make was that nuthings perfect.an that if someone did make a perfect world that it wouldnt work for long .peaple would some how feel like there missing soumthing.then people wouldnt be happy so then it wouldnt be a perfect world.so i think a utopia will never be posiable becase ever one will feel like somethings wrong an then will leave .
I think that she was trying to get across the simple fact that no one and nothing is perfect. No matter how hard you strive for it and what you take away perfection is a non-existant thing. In the book the community strives for perfection and takes away everything that involves change. No color, precision of language. They don't know what certain things are. With the exception of the Reciever. When Jonas comes up with the plan to change everything, he is going against the utopian community. He wants change and wants more because of these memories. He feels that everyone should know about love and all sorts of other stuff. So him and the Giver come up with a plan and follow it through. We don't really know what happens to the cummunity but I think that it changed them drastically and maybe made them see that what they were trying to do was a bad idea.
Even though this society was highly functionable, and provided what was necessary for each individual, it did not give life a true 'meaning.' the only thing people had was what my mother would call 'worldly worries.' there was no purpose, or self importance. Even though they were all the same, there were many flaws. none of them had the enjoyment of a fulfilling, brilliant life. -danika-
i think the author was trying to say that what you may think could be utopia could turn out different. The community got what they wanted. Everyone was the same and everyone was equal. But with all the rules and guidelines and sameness and the boring structured like lives they must live, they dont know how good Utopia really is. The author was trying to rely the message that you should be happy for what you have and the life you live. We are very lucky to have they pretty blue sky and the green grass in the summer. Some poeple may think we have it so bad but when Jonas realizes how good life could really be with all the color and feelings of love and laughter and life he realizes that everyone else need to see and feel these things to. Because he believes that even though This Community got what they wanted by what they thought was utopia, there was really more out there that they needed to discover.
Lous Lowry potraid that Utopia is not all it is thought up to be. That in a perfect society, people can ignore things that are wrong and or strongly discouraged in the 'real world'. She conveyed this message in the various ways Jonas got angry by the way the community so easily 'released' The Old and some of The Newborns. His anger made me pity the way everyone in the communinty was obivlious to what they were really doing. Yet, if they didnt know better then there would be no reason for them to see their lives as anything less than Utopia.
In the Giver the author is showing us that to have a Utopian society, we must have sameness. It is the sense that for every good in the world there is a bad. If we have love we have to have sorrow. For a world to be perfect and have no bad we must then in return have no good. For example, in the story when Jonas asked his father if he had loved him his father acted out by asking Jonas to use precision of language. They do not understand love, but in return Jonas and Lilly never have to experience loss when they move out of their family unit and lose their parents to the childless adults. This is just showing that if a society is to be perfect, we must take out bad and good and be left with sameness.
Every time someone tries to make a utopia society it ends up being a dystopic society. The author showed that human’s nature is not perfect so we can’t live in a perfect society as humans. Humans have their good traits and flaws
I believe the author was trying to make the point that no one is perfect and there is no such thing as a "perfect world." In the book, the elders believe their community is perfect, but how can it be so great without feelings or color, or some of the really good things in our world that make us happy. Yes, they do hide the negative things in our life such as war and pain, but a life without these things is no life at all. The author makes the point that they may seem happy, but then shows how much they are really missing out on when Jonas receives the memory of love and Christmas, and the reader then sees the society in which Joans lives in is just plain and not perfect at all.
I think that Louis Lowry was trying to make a statement about Utopian societies in a cause and effect way. And at the time that this book was written, Communism had fallen. That is what this book reminds me of: Communism. Because in a Communist society; as well as a Utopian society, everything's the same. People are assigned jobs based on skills, they are told what to drive and told what to do.
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i think the point she was trying to make was that nothing is perfect. if you try to make a perfect world or perfect community, it might seem that everything is right and everyone is happy. but, in reality everything is horribly wrong. there is death, conspiracy and nothing is real. nothing is real because its all fake and its an empty world. none of the people in this "perfect" world are thier true selves.- Austin Rhoten. Period 1
Lois Lowry is trying to make the point that Utopian societies always have something that goes wrong because no one is perfect. Utopian societies usually can start out acceptable, yet no one can be perfect enough to follow every strict guideline. In the Giver, Jonas is told by the Giver that the society tries to make everyone perfect, yet they haven’t gotten it exactly right. The Giver talks about how some people can see color, like Jonas can, and these are the people that the society can’t make perfect. Also, people cannot be pushed into doing no wrong. The society in The Giver tries to push everyone by form of punishment, yet some people have strong enough personalities that it is hard to punish them into perfection. Brainwashing can only go so far, and people will start to rebel if they realize that there is a better world of choices, love, and happiness, just like Jonas. Secrets can’t be kept forever and when Jonas finds out about these secrets he releases them to the community which is what happens in Utopian societies. They always go wrong because no one is perfect enough.
the author i think was showing how no matter what you do and try no one and nothing will ever be perfect. like in the book they try to make that perfect world but in the long run they actually ended up ruining life because, they took away feelings, pain, and color. they would never experience those so i think life would be super boring.
Lois Lowry is trying to make the point of a Utopia society by describing that nothing in this world can be perfect and the more people push for this perfect society things willl only get worse. In this world things, people were meant to be different thats why we have completly different personalitys.In the novel the Giver this community is trying to make everything perfect by not letting anyone feel pain, love, accomplishment or anything that could possibly hurt them.
If we lived in a perfect world with strict rules and more we will be stuck in like a bubble and we can’t get out and experience what life is all about. We need to learn what the outside world is all about whatever that may be. We need to have real birthdays not a little age birthday group that doesn’t make it fun. We need holidays to bring family together, and we need love and different feelings to make us, who we are, plus color to make the world beautiful and a better place to live at. We need a real education to find what we really like and what other people like and how to live.
A utopian society can not be perfect! it seems to go well for a wile, but soon everthing fails. unfortunately all humans make mistakes, no one can be perfect. people will fight, argue, and have there own oppinion. unless of corse you live in the comunity where everyone is brain washed into thinking things that dont make sence. utopia is not the same for everyone, because not everyone is identical. everyone needs divercity arround them, just think of how boaring it would be to have everyone be exactly like you.
Everyone has their own ideals. We all wish for certain things in our life to be a certain way, everything the way we'd like. Lois Lowery is making a perfect example of how something with good intentions in the beginning went horribly wrong, and robbed people of themselves. A utopia is what we may want at times, but definitely not what we need. I think this book is a good example of be careful what you wish for. Without those things in our lives that bring us down and piss us off, we wouldn't be as sure of ourselves as we are right now. We wouldn't know what it means to be happy and appreciate it. We would be in a constant state of non-feeling.
"Utopia?" Why would people think that this place is a perfect world? Its because they didnt even know better. If they want a perfect for these civilians they need to be able to expand there minds and learn new things. Try new things experience some pain while induring great happiness. Like in the book Jonas see's snow for the first time. The new experience is always a good one. Thats a Utopia
I think the point of the author making up utopian stories is that she wants to show us what a perfect world is. This is because no one lives in a perfect world, so it would be an interesting thing to read about. She conveyed this message by how she set up what the characters where and weren’t allowed to do in the society. So a perfect world is something that sounds really good but when you actually think about it is not the best thing.
I think that the point the author was trying to make about Utopian societies was that nothing is perfect. No matter how hard anyone tries nothing will ever be absolutely perfect. Humans mess up each and every day, its a natural thing. Even if things seem perfect, deep inside there is still problems. An example of what im saying is in the book The Giver, the boy Jonas lives in a gated community where everyone is the same. Although this community may seem perfect to everyone in it we can see that it is terribly wrong. These people have no choices or say in anything they do. Nothing is real. The author conveyed this message by taking some of the characters and letting them move into a normal lifestyle. This showed us that this community of same was far from perfect.- jenn
I think that Lois Lowry it trying to make the point to people that no matter how hard you try to be perfect or try to make other people be perfect, you will never be perfect. There is not such thing as being perfect because there is always going to be something. If there was a perfect world or just community, then everything would be plain and simple and boring. Nothing would ever be fun and challenging and people wouldn't ever know differences between others and things. In The Giver, everyone is pretty much perfect which makes it boring, but Jonas is different than everybody which makes it more exciting knowing what he can/does. Since he is different and knows that things are different he realizes that their is a better world out there and he finds it. He knows that he isn't perfect like the community was and he knew that everything that everyone did was wrong.--Kayla Corpron
I think the point that the author was trying to make was that no matter how hard you try to make something perfect, there are always flaws. Nothing is perfect and I think that Lois Lowry was trying to say that the non-perfect things in life, the things that some of us wish we didn't have to deal with are the things that make us stronger as human beings. The thought of Utopia is a fantasy. The author was also trying to say that normally in a Utopian society there are crazy rules to be followed and most people cannot rise to the standards of a perfect society. Nothing will ever be perfect in life and people need to realize the fact and live and learn from it.
i think the point that she was trying to make was that nuthings perfect.an that if someone did make a perfect world that it wouldnt work for long .peaple would some how feel like there missing soumthing.then people wouldnt be happy so then it wouldnt be a perfect world.so i think a utopia will never be posiable becase ever one will feel like somethings wrong an then will leave .
I think that she was trying to get across the simple fact that no one and nothing is perfect. No matter how hard you strive for it and what you take away perfection is a non-existant thing. In the book the community strives for perfection and takes away everything that involves change. No color, precision of language. They don't know what certain things are. With the exception of the Reciever. When Jonas comes up with the plan to change everything, he is going against the utopian community. He wants change and wants more because of these memories. He feels that everyone should know about love and all sorts of other stuff. So him and the Giver come up with a plan and follow it through. We don't really know what happens to the cummunity but I think that it changed them drastically and maybe made them see that what they were trying to do was a bad idea.
Even though this society was highly functionable, and provided what was necessary for each individual, it did not give life a true 'meaning.' the only thing people had was what my mother would call 'worldly worries.' there was no purpose, or self importance. Even though they were all the same, there were many flaws. none of them had the enjoyment of a fulfilling, brilliant life.
-danika-
i think the author was trying to say that what you may think could be utopia could turn out different. The community got what they wanted. Everyone was the same and everyone was equal. But with all the rules and guidelines and sameness and the boring structured like lives they must live, they dont know how good Utopia really is. The author was trying to rely the message that you should be happy for what you have and the life you live. We are very lucky to have they pretty blue sky and the green grass in the summer. Some poeple may think we have it so bad but when Jonas realizes how good life could really be with all the color and feelings of love and laughter and life he realizes that everyone else need to see and feel these things to. Because he believes that even though This Community got what they wanted by what they thought was utopia, there was really more out there that they needed to discover.
Lous Lowry potraid that Utopia is not all it is thought up to be. That in a perfect society, people can ignore things that are wrong and or strongly discouraged in the 'real world'. She conveyed this message in the various ways Jonas got angry by the way the community so easily 'released' The Old and some of The Newborns. His anger made me pity the way everyone in the communinty was obivlious to what they were really doing. Yet, if they didnt know better then there would be no reason for them to see their lives as anything less than Utopia.
In the Giver the author is showing us that to have a Utopian society, we must have sameness. It is the sense that for every good in the world there is a bad. If we have love we have to have sorrow. For a world to be perfect and have no bad we must then in return have no good. For example, in the story when Jonas asked his father if he had loved him his father acted out by asking Jonas to use precision of language. They do not understand love, but in return Jonas and Lilly never have to experience loss when they move out of their family unit and lose their parents to the childless adults. This is just showing that if a society is to be perfect, we must take out bad and good and be left with sameness.
Every time someone tries to make a utopia society it ends up being a dystopic society. The author showed that human’s nature is not perfect so we can’t live in a perfect society as humans. Humans have their good traits and flaws
I believe the author was trying to make the point that no one is perfect and there is no such thing as a "perfect world." In the book, the elders believe their community is perfect, but how can it be so great without feelings or color, or some of the really good things in our world that make us happy. Yes, they do hide the negative things in our life such as war and pain, but a life without these things is no life at all. The author makes the point that they may seem happy, but then shows how much they are really missing out on when Jonas receives the memory of love and Christmas, and the reader then sees the society in which Joans lives in is just plain and not perfect at all.
I think that Louis Lowry was trying to make a statement about Utopian societies in a cause and effect way. And at the time that this book was written, Communism had fallen. That is what this book reminds me of: Communism. Because in a Communist society; as well as a Utopian society, everything's the same. People are assigned jobs based on skills, they are told what to drive and told what to do.
I thimk that Jonas needs to catch the bird and be done already.
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